Kaz, as much as I hate to do it, I have to agree with Carolina on this one, McCain is a lib, just not totally out there, he is no conservative.One could probably argue about how conservative Bush is for that matter. Big spending - check. less power to states - check. Government in our private life - check. Enlarging federal governemnt - check. Isn't that basically the founding principles of the republican party blown out the door?